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Better Wind Turbines

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By Kevin Bullis

Thursday, November 13, 2008

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Inside look: Two rings of magnets (blue-gray), one within and the other outside a series of copper coils (red and green), turn to generate electricity.
Credit: Exro Technologies

Another part of the design makes the generator more responsive to changing wind speeds. Harvesting large amounts of energy requires many coils. These could be arranged inside a very-large-diameter generator, but then the rotor on which the magnets were mounted would have to be larger, too. That would make it harder to get the rotor moving, or to change its rotation speed. (The greater distance between the center of the generator and the coils increases what's known as the moment of inertia.) The ExRo generator instead distributes the coils among several small-diameter generators--which the researchers call stacks--along the length of the shaft. Smaller diameters make it easier to change rotational speeds. The multiple-stack design also makes customizing the generator for a particular wind site easier. For a site with low-speed winds, few stacks would be needed. For a site with high-speed winds, more could be added, allowing the generator to convert more energy into electricity.

Other companies have developed designs that incorporate multiple generators, which can be activated separately, depending on wind speed. But these have to be engaged and disengaged mechanically, adding weight and complexity to the generator and increasing costs. Reducing maintenance and weight by eliminating the need for mechanical gears and clutches could allow ExRo to keep costs down. And that, says Paul Sclavounos, a professor of mechanical engineering at MIT, is the key consideration in determining whether to try to capture more of the wind's energy. ExRo may have an advantage, he says, because the key to its technology is electronic control, which is inexpensive. Indeed, the company claims that a wind-turbine operator could make 57 percent more money from a turbine over the course of a year by using the new generator.

ExRo has developed and tested a lab-scale prototype. Its estimates of increased power production come from models that use data from existing wind-turbine sites. By the end of this year or early next year, the company will begin field-testing a small, five-kilowatt wind turbine. Ritchey says that the company won't have firm figures for power production until those tests are complete. The next step will be to install larger, megawatt-scale generators in existing wind turbines.

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  • very cool
    I'm not sure how well it would do at the megawatt scale power levels as claimed. But I think it would work well at lower level applications like 10's of kilowatts. These frequently occur for small wind turbines and small seawater wave generators. How do they switch the coils in and out? Do they use relays which have low loss or transistors which have higher losses?
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    SVE
    11/13/2008
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    • Re: very cool
      I believe the plan is to use transistors for smaller turbines and lower power levels, and relays for larger turbines.
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      Kevin Bullis
      11/13/2008
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  • Wind Turbines Alias
    Has someone already coined a new term, Windergy, for the sector?
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    GoToGuy
    11/13/2008
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  • Couple this to FloDesign's turbine
    Coupled to FloDesign's jet engine-inspired wind turbine, we'll have a game-changing wind power source.
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    tony_tl
    11/13/2008
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  • Good Stuff
    This is a simple engineering improvement which makes a big difference. Often the simple inventions are the ones which have huge impacts.
      These new generators (with a 57% increase in electricity generation) make the investment in wind technology so much more attractive.
      Thanks
    Brian Glassman
    Innovation Management Commercialization
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    briang1621
    11/13/2008
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  • What about Axial Vector?
    AXVC has developed a 98% efficient generator that doesn't use any magnets.  One market they are going after is wind generators because they can handle very low wind speeds.  Only one of many applications.  Press release here.
    http://www.axialvectorengine.com/press_release-82.html
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    INM
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  • A Pet Peeve
    I know it's picky of me but Technology Review is a technology magazine. You will therefore understand my disappointment when I run across sentences like this one:

    As a result, the turbine could produce 50 percent more power over the course of a year, says Jonathan Ritchey, ExRo's chief technology officer.

    What's that quantity we get when we integrate power over time called? And why did neither your reporter nor the CTO of a company that produces generators know it? Has someone, perhaps, been copying text from press releases written by marketing weanies?
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    theradicalmo...
    11/14/2008
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    • Re: A Pet Peeve
      You're right, and it's not being picky at all, a technology mag shouldn't make these mistakes.

      It seems unlikely to me that this invention will greatly improve energy harvest (yes ENERGY) from wind turbines in high quality wind resources, especially, as mentioned above, for tall megawatt scale turbines that suffer less from wind power variance. Still, even a few percent more energy harvest would be competitive if the generator costs the same (or even less).

      The other invention covered on this site, Tubercles, combined with this switch coil generator, could hugely improve the economics of small wind turbines in relatively poor wind resource areas. Like small distributed (eg homeowner) systems.

      In my mind though, the biggest potential for wind in the future will still be large megawatt class 3 bladed (perhaps 2 bladed as well) turbines in high wind resource areas like the Great Plains and offshore (a bit further in the future). Both the Tubercles and the switching coil generator inventions would be less radical improvements here than they will be for smaller systems in lower wind resource areas. But the advantage could be very significant still.

      One thing is clear now, wind  is already very competitive and is going to help a lot in getting large amounts of clean energy, and with all the innovation still going on, it's only getting better.
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      Siphon
      11/17/2008
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      • Re: A Pet Peeve
        I went to Exro's website and was surprised that there too there is confusion between energy and Power.
        In addition, I think I've some knowledge about electrical motors/generators and this article didn't help me understand Exro's innovation. Maybe it's on purpose, for confidentiality reasons, but it makes it difficult to gauge whether it's a true innovation or not.
        From a technical point of view, bigger motors/generators are usually more efficient than smaller, even at low power (this is a major difference with Internal Combustion Engines).
        Electrical motors have been used in locomotives for a century now, because they work well in a wide range of speed/torque. One innovation that appeared soon in locomotive motors was to switch coils wiring between parallel and series depending on speed. Is that what Exro is doing?

        That being said, it's great that motivated people try to find better technological solutions and especially in the energy sector, which really needs it!
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        dadan
        11/23/2008
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        • Re: A Pet Peeve
          ExRo appears to be working with prototypes of only a few kiloWatts. As you say, going bigger, especially to multi megaWatt scale, means the generator is inherently more efficient already, even at lower speeds. But this innovation is about quickly throttling up or down, and then just for a moment even big generators lose quite a big amount on efficiency. Since the coils can be used individually, a number of coils can operate at peak efficiency when the wind falls, and a number would simply be off. If there are enough coils (and the image shows there are) then it could mean the generator always operates close to peak efficiency even in quickly falling and rising winds.

          If the wind turbine is situated in a high wind resource area (and they should be, since that's the economical resource), one would expect less sudden falling and rising of the wind, especially for those big multi megaWatt machines which are tall enough to harvest high and consistent wind speeds.

          So it would appear that the advantage wouldn't be as huge as claimed for those turbines. Some big machines in good areas already get more than 40% capacity factor. Would this innovation give 60% or more? It seems unlikely. Perhaps when combined with vortex generators (Whalepower) such high capacity factors could be achieved in really good locations.
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          Siphon
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          • Re: A Pet Peeve
            40%? at the mouth of a canyon, maybe.  or if you cheat like crazy on the specs.

            15% is what the local windmill cooperative (www.windshare.org) expected, and 10% is about what they got.
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            nielkmot
            12/02/2008
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            • Re: A Pet Peeve
              If you do not have substantial wind resource then don't build turbines in your area. Duh.

              35-45% is typical for the best wind resources. Since there's so many improvements in the pipeline that increase capacity factor - just read the articles on this site about Whalepower, ExRo, Catch the Wind etc. - it appears a substantial improvement can be had here. And there's of course a continued development towards bigger taller turbines (although it's not moving as fast as in the past). I wondered how much of an improvement it would be in real world performance when all these upgrades are combined.

              There's a wind farm in New Zealand that gets close to 50% capacity factor, the world record I think but haven't checked on others recently. But perhaps 50% will be standard in the future with all these upgrades combined.
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              Siphon
              12/04/2008
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        • Re: A Pet Peeve
          I don't know why but I think is got to be something really close to this. Nuvinci CVT
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVPjhmTThPo&feature=related

          And that will increase the variations needed with the differents wind's speed very quikly.
          And I mind something similar to the Nuvinci
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          MaestroDNA
          02/02/2009
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    • Re: A Pet Peeve
      Just to clarify--the claim is not that it will produce 50 percent more energy over the course of a year. But that on average, over the course of a year, the power output from the turbine will be 50 percent higher.
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      Kevin Bullis
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  • other applications?
    Why would this interesting type of variable speed generator not be even more appropriate for recovering kinetic energy for electric automobiles whose axle speed varies constantly?
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    asiwel
    11/16/2008
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    • Re: other applications?
      Why not ust this in HEV / EV's?
      Because an existing industry is all ready in place for motors on HEV/EV size. Manufacturing is well understood and they have come down the cost/volume curve.
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      larryrose11
      11/17/2008
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      • Re: other applications?
        Yes, EVs and hybrids should be an excellent application since they are throttled a lot, they have large and sudden variance which normally lowers the electric motor's efficiency substantially substantially below peak efficiency.

        The EV industry is in it's infancy so I don't see why switching to different traction motors is a big deal cost-wise.

        Any application with throttled electric motors should do. Electric motors powering compressors that are throttled regularly etc.
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        Siphon
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  • Fabulous Concept
    I believe the term is "Wenergy". About the Flo Design concept, it would only hamper this concept.  I do think the "Whale Bump" blades would help it.  Increasing lift range and power output would keep more of the coils active.   Now too that Ocean Based windfarms have been proven to interfere with currents and agitation of the surrounding water that we should fight them with much more aggression.  "Wenergy" is to reduce the footprint, not make mud puddles.
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    Pat495
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    • Re: Fabulous Concept
      Yes, I also think this would work well with the Tubercles things. Of course, the advantage isn't totally cumulative for various reasons, but it should be a large effect still.
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      Siphon
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  • Scalable
    So the key is Scalable design. A claim region gets the lighter end of the scale. A generator built for an area with higher more consistent speeds would be scaled up.  That would make it hard to really say what kind of megawatts to expect.
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    j4ym3rc
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  • Pole switching is status quo
    Although not explicity stated, i believe this technique amounts to pole switching.  Pole switching has been implemented on motors ranging from washing machines to wind turbines for years.  The basic concept is to use a high pole count winding configuration at low speeds & a low pole count winding configuration at high speeds.  This has the effect of giving the turbines a wider power-speed range than would otherwise be possible without pole switching.  I believe that these guys are just doing this electronically instead of of with relay or contactor (mechanical) switches.  The "innovation" is more in the circuit than in the machine.  The are probably using thyristors to commutate the currents to the proper coils at the opportune times.  If this is the approach, I am skeptical that this method is at all defensible as it has been applied elsewhere in many embodiments...

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    doteman
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  • Wind Turbine
    Since the 87% of the land mass of the earth has only Class 2 winds, it would seem logical that wind turbines should be made to perform well in Class 2 winds. After all over 2 Billion people live in these areas.

    Power is Equal to the Swept Area of the Rotor blades times the cube of the velocity of the wind, So, P = A x V cubed (add the correction factors)

    Larger Rotor Areas will solve that problem, yes?

    The problem is that the Cube in the formula comes into play very early. Example; if the force on your 1kW turbine is 20kG at 10mph, and nothing else changes, at 20 mph the force cubes to 8000, yes? 20 x 20 x 20 and if the wind goes to 40mph, 8000 cubed is rather large.

    The solution: A rotor blade that can change it's Area, yes? From 100% to nearly 0 to meet the changing wind conditions.

    I did that many years ago. WWW.AppropriateEnergy.com will show you how.
    All my turbines are rated for Class 2 operation and warranted for Typhoon areas.   

    PS: Wind turbines are often wrongly called "Wind Generators". To the best of my knowledge three things Generate Wind, The Sun, Politicians, and a good bowl of Beans.

    RAB

              
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    Ralph Belden
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  • lightning
    I have had solar systems in the past, and they do work quite well. The problem with wind generators in my part of the country is electrical storms and the fact that there is no inexpensive way to ground the generator to protect it from lightning strikes, which effectively cooks a wind generator. Sitting on top of a rock on, top of a 30' tower, is not healthy for electronic controls.
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    mountainwolf...
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    • Re: lightning
      Think aluminum/iron/copper rod on top of the nacelle? Why not, just electrically insulate it well enough so the lightning current flows virtually completely to the ground rather than through the wind turbine system.
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      Siphon
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  • work?
    I want to learn about it, how does it work? What is its details?
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    selcuk_sakar
    03/22/2009
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  • Little turbine
    I bought a little generator on ebay and some wind turbine blades at

    windynation

    It is pretty fun. I get almost 400 Watts of power in 22 mph wind!

    Anyone who likes building stuff should try it. It is really not that hard.
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    Davido
    11/02/2009
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