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Better Solar for Big Buildings

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By Kevin Bullis

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

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Solar rods: A close-up view of Solyndra's cylindrical solar cells.
Credit: Solyndra

The cylindrical design also allows the solar panels to absorb more light. Solar panels work best when light hits them directly, such as when the sun is directly overhead. To get more power from solar panels, they're often mounted on tracking systems that keep each panel pointed at the sun all day. But these tracking systems don't work in high winds, add cost, and take up space that could be occupied by other solar panels. The cylindrical solar cells provide another way to increase the power from a solar panel. At any point in the day, some part of the curved surface is facing the sun more or less directly, and therefore absorbing a large share of that light.

The trade-off, of course, is that the other side of the cylinder is shaded. With highly reflective white roofs, however, this is less of a problem. Light passes through the same spaces between the cylinders that allow wind to flow through. It reflects off the roof and is absorbed by the shaded side of the solar cells. Also, the other surfaces of the solar cell absorb some diffuse light from the sky.

This adds up to greater energy production over the course of a year than a conventional system, the company says. Combined with low installation costs, this significantly lowers the cost of solar power. Gronet says that within a few years, the company plans to produce solar systems that generate electricity competitive with the average cost of electricity in the United States (about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour) by optimizing manufacturing and increasing production volumes.

The company, however, does not plan to expand out of the commercial rooftop business, where its specialized design has an edge. Other solar-panel technologies may prove more affordable for other applications, such as residential installations and large-scale projects for utilities.

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  • capturing more light
    KB says: The trade-off, of course, is that the other side of the cylinder is shaded.

    Perhaps the bottom half of the enclosing glass cylinder could be made reflective.

    - ff
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    fearless_foo...
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    • Re: capturing more light
      According to the company:
      Solyndra panels employ cylindrical modules which capture sunlight across a 360-degree photovoltaic surface capable of converting direct, diffuse and reflected sunlight into electricity.

      See the illustration here

      Would placing a mirror-like material under the panels increase electricity generation?
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      matthew393
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      • Re: capturing more light
        The system is actually designed for use with a type of roofing material that's becoming more common. It's white to reflect light and save on AC costs. From page 2 of the article:

        "The trade-off, of course, is that the other side of the cylinder is shaded. With highly reflective white roofs, however, this is less of a problem. Light passes through the same spaces between the cylinders that allow wind to flow through. It reflects off the roof and is absorbed by the shaded side of the solar cells. Also, the other surfaces of the solar cell absorb some diffuse light from the sky."
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        Kevin Bullis
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  • Interesting, But Short On Specifications
    The complete lack of efficiency, electrical, weight, indeed even dimensional, specifications raises credibility questions about Solyndra's product for me. It would seem that, if Solyndra were proud of their technological achievement, they would be forthcoming with details. There are a few clues in this October 6, 2008 article: Solyndra reveals thin-film solar tubes and this Scientific American article. However, it would seem that three key members of the technical side of the company have recently left Solyndra. And it would seem that Solyndra is looking for increased capitalization in in today's turbulent worldwide economic situation.


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    LDighera
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  • Non-silicion-based cylindrical cells
    If these cells are able to withstand high winds, why would they be suitable mainly to commercial buildings? Is there any good reason not to use them on individual private homes?  They might be out of place on the roofs of traditional cottage and colonial homes, but what about modern, post-modern, deconstructive eco-style homes?  Cylinders are not inherently unattractive. Wouldn't they challenge good architects to incorporate them inthe basic design of domestic architecture as well as commercial?
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    rmonie
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    • Re: Non-silicion-based cylindrical cells
      For one thing, the system really works best with a special type of roofing material used on commercial roofs. You need a reflective surface to make best use of the cylindrical design.
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      Kevin Bullis
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  • Cylindrical is not efficient
    It seems clear to me that the claim: "The new shape allows the system to absorb more light over the course of a day than conventional solar panels do" is false. Flat panels laid flat on the roof would collect more energy. Flat panels angled to catch the noon sun would capture slightly less energy per square foot of roof area, but would capture much more energy per square inch of solar film area. Considering the cost of the solar film compared to the cost of the roof area, I'd say angled flat panels are a much better deal.

    But I do like the idea of cutting the panels into narrow strips with air gaps between and mounting them low to the roof to reduce wind loads. That may reduce installation costs dramatically.
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    mindbuilder
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    • Re: Cylindrical is not efficient
      Just a thought. The tubes are filled with a clear oil. That being the case , wouldn't this follow Snell's Law of Angle of Refraction? A beam of light bends in the opposite direction. So the light hitting the tube from the side at any angle, in this case infinate angles, the light would bend causing it to go directly into the solar panel (tube). Hense, no need to track the sun (angle).
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      qwaszqwasz
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  • nothing odd about raising capital
    if they have 1.2 bn$ in orders, and a 2-year backlog, one would hope to god they were making an effort to raise capital, regardless of the state of the credit/equity markets, because it is obvious that anything but a maximum effort to increase production capacity is a gross disservice to the investors.

    what is truly wanting is a good survey of the cost/benefit and application profile of each of the now many solar power systems on the market, along with the supply chain issues associated with each.
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    • Re: nothing odd about raising capital
      >>>if they have 1.2 bn$ in orders, and a 2-year backlog, one would hope to god they were making an effort to raise capital, regardless of the state of the credit/equity markets, ...<<<


      I agree that the requirement for additional financing is obvious, but to overlook the current frozen state of the world's financial marketplace is an act of delusion. The question is, how will the inability to raise the necessary capital to meet existing booked orders financially impact the firm.
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      LDighera
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  • cost per watt
    its the bottom line, how long will they really last, will they pay for themselves in there life time. are they cost effective.
    how does the turn key operational cost per watt compare to nuclear?
    i hope one day all buildings, res and com, are roofed with solar panels.
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  • [no subject]
    What is a strange thing, that nothing was known, no publicity at all for this company right until October 07, 2008. Not a single article or even web site. And in a blink of an eye they claim they got 1.2 billion orders backlog and ready be delivered product...
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