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  donaokka
  

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  09/02/2008 09:21 AM

  The Chinese CPU

  as you know how many microchip is from USA, you should know why Chinese mades this new microchip;  maybe this is very importment for Chinese goverment and military

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    09/03/2008 08:46 PM

    Re: The Chinese CPU

    Wont be long as more linux distributions are ported to the new mips based cpu. If distributed to classrooms in china, linux would be posed to become the worlds most used computer operating system. An explosion in development on linux will follow

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  09/02/2008 01:02 PM

  Trust the Chinese Gov't

  We need to trust the gov't of Red China when they tell us that no patents are being infringed.  After all, they were so truthful and honest during the Olympics, and they have done such a bang-up job combating piracy.  Not to mention the notable reliability of their chemicals and pharmaceuticals.  Such diligence on their part at establishing their reputation should not go unrewarded.

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    09/02/2008 05:27 PM

    Re: Trust the Chinese Gov't

    I agree, despite your sarcasm.  China is an up-and-coming power in the world and it makes a lot of Americans nervous.  I love to see more innovation in technology like this, regardless of the country producing it.

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    09/02/2008 07:58 PM

    Re: Trust the Chinese Gov't

    Looking at America's behaviour after WW2 when they "appropriated" all of the important German and Japanese patents (Bayer,Krups etc) by waiving the victors stick at Patent conventions and rewriting those that didnt suit, who are you to chastise the Chinese?
    
    http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?t=33916&sid=d24026240e058ee1a8d8b8044ce45c1f

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      LionMage
      

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      09/03/2008 05:15 PM

      Re: Trust the Chinese Gov't

      The URL you cite does provide an interesting take on events, although I question the neutrality of the article based on the use of scare quotes around the word "holocaust" -- implying that the author does not actually believe such an event occurred, or was deliberately inflated.
      
      It's also worth mentioning that the United States was hardly alone in carving up Germany's intellectual property -- the Soviet Union (or "Russians" as they are referred to in the linked article) were just as guilty, yet you don't mention them in your comment.  Selective blindness on your part, perhaps?
      
      The fact is, we took their scientists too, not just their patents.  Many of these people could have stood trial for war crimes, but they were deemed too useful to languish in prison or to be executed.  And another inconvenient fact is, many countries absorb the intellectual property and other valuable assets of those they conquer.  The Chinese are no different in this regard, so trying to argue that Americans lack moral authority to comment is disingenuous at best.
      
      More on topic: While I'm sure it's great that China is developing its own domestic source of CPUs, what concerns me is the potential security risk these chips would pose if imported into the U.S. (either on their own or incorporated into devices).  There's also an economic impact -- the U.S. currently outsources a lot of development and fabrication for commodity chips (memory being a prime example), but CPU design has been mostly kept here in the States, or in strongly allied countries like Israel.  You're welcome to try and turn that, too, into a referendum on how America isn't trustworthy, and that's your prerogative, but that doesn't mean America should trust the motives of China (or Russia, for that matter).

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    09/02/2008 11:20 PM

    Re: Trust the Chinese Gov't

    We may not be able to completely trust the Chinese government.  But can we trust the US Government?  Or can we trust anyone for that matter?  What did the Bush Admin tell us about the "never-found" WMD in Iraq?  I can't imagine what the West would react if the Chinese government did something like the Big American Lie in Iraq.
    
    Also, have we heard any doping issues with any Chinese athletes?  Why are they so common to the Western athletes, esp. the Americans?
    
    China has achieved tremendous progress in its economy, political reform and democratic progress during the last 30 years.  What have we, the Americans do during the last 30 years?  Can we compare our progress to a that of China?  What about 30 years from today?  I hope we won't have to sneak into China to get green card there by then.

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      09/05/2008 09:13 PM

      Re: Trust the Chinese Gov't

      If one thing the West should learn about Chinese Gov't recently is to look at how they pull together the 2008 Olympic.  The Chinese Gov't has the will and (human) power to make it happens. Intel will not have the cash nor will or power to compete with the Chinese Gov't (or another state owned or subsidized compnay) in the CPU market.  Last, they can and will make sure the Chinese to buy their owned CPU regardless of what Intel offer. Intel investment and training in China will just teach them to get there faster.  And it will happen much faster than you think.
      
        

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  09/03/2008 12:57 AM

  There's Nothing to Fear

  So the Chinese built a CPU. Big deal. The CPU is old 20th century technology. Heck, it's even older than that because Charles Babbage understood the principles behind the CPU 150 years ago. I hate to break it to the Chinese (and the Western computer industry) but the CPU is not part of the future of computing.
  
  I would be worried if the Chinese had perfected the first pure MIMD (multiple instruction, multiple data) vector core in which every instruction is a parallel vector unit. That would tell me that they had figured out the correct solution to the parallel programming crisis, among other things. Had they done so, it would have been cause for serious concern because the military (and economic) implications are scary indeed.
  
  Heralding the Empending Death of the CPU:
  http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/heralding-impending-death-of-cpu.html

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    10/02/2008 05:42 PM

    Re: There's Nothing to Fear

    Without the recent boom in China, most of the "Western" countries would not have experienced such prosperous growth over the last 10 years through selling resources to China and using China's cheap labour costs to lower production costs of goods sold in these western countries to increase profits.
    
    For those who has actually visited China, the major cities are ultra modern and wealth is abundant.  Significant amount of money has been invested to support local R&D over the last 15 years and China is at a stage ready to compete in the certain sectors of the world market previously dominated by the west.
    
    This will open up competition which means good news for consumers.  Whether it is used for good or evil, it's all a matter of opinions.  We can argue until the cows come home.
    
    It's almost 2010 and we need to move on and be a little bit more open minded.  The world is changing, the heart of the US financial system is failing impacting everyone including China.

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